Zak Frank, The Health King

This episode is a FANTASTIC conversation with Zak King.  Zak runs The Center For Advancement In Cancer Education (aka BeatCancer.Org).

They are a 47 year old non profit organization helping people heal or prevent cancer using holistic modalities

They do so through a variety of free programs such as free counseling with their in house doctors, free weekly Q&A sessions, etc, and they also sell educational courses in order to fund the free programs

They have trained and certified hundreds of holistic cancer coaches all over the world and offer continuing business support to them.

Zak also runs a podcast of his own called, ¨The Health King’s Court: Ancient Wisdom, Modern Health¨.

He covers a variety of holistic health and wellness topics, anything from physical health, to mental, emotional, spiritual, relationship, or anything else.

Zak has a different perspective on JOY and I loved hearing it. It definitely got me thinking and reflecting on how I see JOY.  He also shares the importance of JOY when working with cancer patients and families and how they integrate that into the process of healing.

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Transcript

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00:08
Hello and welcome to Navigating Joy Together. My name is Lauren and I'm here with my family. Mark. Addison. Hunter and our dog Onyx. Each episode you will hear about our experiences with navigating joy together in our family, as well as tips you can bring back to your family. Thanks for spending time with us. Now let's get to it.

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02:12
about the way I view joy and find joy and so forth. So I've been very reflective on his conversation and I look forward to hearing about it. I will be speaking with Zach Frank, who is the CMO of Beat Cancer, a 47-year-old nonprofit organization that educates people on holistic ways to prevent or beat cancer. In addition to free personalized counseling for cancer patients.

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They have a wide variety of educational programs and they've trained hundreds of holistic cancer coaches all around the world. Known as Zach the Health King, he also hosts a podcast entitled, The Health King's Court Ancient Wisdom Modern Health. In the podcast, he dives into a variety of holistic health topics with guest experts. The podcast covers matters of physical health, mental health, emotional health, spiritual health and anything in between.

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Zach has a passion for impacting the world from the ground up. He enjoys bringing actionable and empowering bits of information to people that allow them to live healthier, happier, more fulfilled lives. He believes that healthier individuals result in healthier families, healthier communities, and a healthier world. Very well said. And you'll hear a lot about what his bio talks about, and especially the fulfillment part in this conversation and how that relates to joy.

03:32
So enjoy the conversation and here we go. Well, Zach, thank you so much for joining me today. I'm really excited to have a conversation with you about Joy. Awesome, thank you very much for having me, Lauren. I'm excited to be here. Well, let's start with actually you telling us a little bit about yourself and what you do. So there's two primary things I do. Firstly, I am the CMO of the Center for Advancement in Cancer Education, and we are a 47-year-old nonprofit organization.

04:01
that educates people on holistic ways of healing or preventing cancer. And because our whole official name is a bit of a mouthful, we also go by beatcancer.org, which of course is our homepage that you can find us and our information at. And so that's one of the main things I do. I run that organization with a partner and it's really cool. You know, I help people on the patient side. I help people that are interested in becoming holistic cancer coaches with us.

04:29
And, you know, I'm just continually revamping the website and working on our programs that we offer. Then I also run a podcast. So I have a podcast of my own called the Health King's Court, Ancient Wisdom, Modern Health, where I cover a variety of holistic health and wellness topics, always with an expert guest. And yeah, we really talk about all sorts of things from physical health to mental health, emotional health, spiritual health.

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anything in between. And I just really want to bring conversations to people that can potentially leave them having a better, healthier, more fulfilled life. I love that. I'm sure there's so much value in that. And the one episode I listened to, which we just talked about briefly, has brought a lot of value to me just being a teacher. So that's great. So can I ask how you got involved in doing the work with the cancer stuff that you do?

05:22
Yeah, of course. It's an interesting question. Where does a 28-year-old man find himself just working at this non-profit organization, right? Well, I don't have a crazy story that brought me to the cancer realm specifically, but more so I have a personal story that brought me to the world of holistic health for my own sake. And, you know, I was always someone that had a healthy mistrust of the default things that are purported for us.

05:52
And years ago, I just started diving down different rabbit holes and really learning how different things in the world worked. And a lot of that involved learning just how unhealthy most people were in their bodies, in their minds and in their spirits. And as I learned things and alternative ways to exist that could potentially lead to a healthier life, I implemented those changes and acted upon them. And, you know, since then, I've been experiencing greater life fulfillment on all fronts of my life. And so.

06:21
It's been a very passionate field for me to learn for myself, just holistic health and well-being overall. And then of course, how could I not want to help others in that same sphere? So since I've been learning, I've also been doing what I could to educate people that just so happen to be around me, whether it's friends, family, friends of friends, etc. Anyone that would come to me, I would want to help them. And I never really got into the field as a professional until...

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I was here at Beat Cancer and the way that happened, you know, it was just the right place at the right time and putting myself out there and networking groups and events and I was at this networking event and I happened to meet the CEO. I didn't know he was a CEO at the time. He's just a cool gentleman that I introduced myself to and he said, oh, I'm involved with this holistic cancer charity. And I said, wow, so do you talk about X and Y and Z and named off a couple of holistic healing modalities?

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Or do you talk about this and this and this? And he looked at me and he said, whoa, like how do you know this? Who are you? And we just kind of started jiving throughout the night and really kind of took a liking to each other. And I followed up with him afterwards. Turns out he's the CEO. Turns out he was looking for someone to partner up within the organization. And turned out I was looking for a new business endeavor to get into. So that's how I got here. Wow, synchronicity for sure. That must be such a gratifying.

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job. Well, I don't even know if it's a job, but just such a gratifying thing to do working with people on that level. And you said that it's either with people who currently are have cancer and trying to beat it or just preventing it from the get go. All the above, all the above. We are really kind of a one stop shop. There's something for everybody, no matter where you are in a cancer experience, whether you yourself have a diagnosis already or have a concern about a diagnosis or haven't.

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a concern at all, you just want to learn about it, or if you have a family member that has a cancer concern, or if you are a medical professional, anybody. If you're interested in holistic cancer healing information, which is really just holistic health information at large, we have programs and we have information and we have a spot for you right in our community throughout our various programs. So yeah, we really have something for everybody.

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answer the first part of your question, it is extremely gratifying. And I go to sleep very well at night knowing that it's what I am giving a lot of my time to. Yeah, I can definitely see that. That's incredible. That just gives me chills. Well, thank you for all that work that you do. I know that support that people need in whatever realm, like you said, is imperative. So it's nice to know that there's different avenues out there that people can take, which I think is really important.

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Okay, now heading towards joy. Let's talk about joy. So when we connected, I was intrigued because your perspective is a little different. And you said that for you, joy is not a goal, but a side effect. And I would love to know more about what you mean by that. Yeah, you know, I really think that this is one of the fundamental flaws that is perpetuated in kind of the mental health realm in that.

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Joy is fleeting, right? We all know that phrase. And so if we have a goal for something that is fleeting, well then we'll forever be chasing something that is always going to be getting away from us. I think that joy comes as a natural internal byproduct of achieving fulfillment.

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And that could come in different forms, depending on who you are and where you are in life. I think it's different for men, different for women, different for children, and different on an individual level, person by person. And I think when we are truly on our purpose and on our mission and taking care of what we need to take care of, and we feel fulfilled and we feel satisfied in what we're doing with our time, it might not be a giddy, giddy, happy, happy, joy, you know, like jumping up and down dancing.

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for joy type of joy that we always experience. But I think that internal fulfillment is the real joy. When you just like can look around and look at what you've done. Let's look at that, your family that you've just raised or look at this business that you've just created that's helping people. Or like look at these things that you've even achieved for yourself. I think that internal by-product is then that.

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real joy. And I think when we focus on joy as a goal itself, one, it sets ourselves up for failure, because if it's always fleeting, then you're always going to have to try to replace it and then find it again with different things. And I think that leads to a lot of hedonism. I think that leads to a lot of vices. Because when we are trying to aim for joy,

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we try to kind of get it as cheaply as we can. And that can often come in the form of perhaps mind-altering substances or hedonistic behavior that has a lot of damaging ramifications otherwise, but is associated with those temporary feelings and those hits of joy and dopamine. And I think chasing that causes a lot of dismantling within a person and within society. That's a great, great perspective. I love how you talk about chasing that.

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Yeah, to me, it's not something to be chased at all. So when you talked about internal fulfillment, you obviously have that with what you do when you're working for your nonprofit, I'm assuming. And that's probably you probably internally have just that joy feeling. That'd be correct. I mean, at times, right. But it's fleeting, right. And so.

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I'll speak from the perspective of a man and what I think is the healthiest for a man. I don't think it's the healthiest thing for a man to stay resonating with an experience of joy for too long because then I think it prevents us from really and truly progressing and always improving. And so I experience fulfillment. I would only say there's brief moments that I experience what I would outrightly classify as.

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joy in a traditional sense. You know what I mean? But I like that. I'm not, that's not a complaint. I prefer that because you need a bit of discontentment to continue moving forward. And so I like to stay hungry in that way. So people sometimes use different strategies and things if they're in a negative place. Well, you strike me as somebody who probably lives in

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we do have discontent, right? And we have our negative spaces. And so when you find yourself in that space, is there something that you do specifically? Like some people I've interviewed before and myself, I'll actually put some things in place to try to get out of that negative space. Not necessarily, like you said, it doesn't put me in a jumping up and down joyful place at that moment, but it can definitely relieve some of that negative space.

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base and feelings that I'm in and maybe head towards more of that joyful place. But maybe I'm searching, like you said, interesting. So I think, you know, what I try to do is advocate for raw action. You know, if I am experiencing discontentment to a degree where it's. Outrightly unpleasant.

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I understand that it's a result of where I am in life and the things that I would like to be better are not yet better and only I am here that can make them better. So I try to redirect my attention to taking action. If there's something I don't like that is causing me displeasure, well then I need to fix it. And that's not going to get fixed by sitting around and feeling this unpleasantry. You know? Yep, exactly. Just out of curiosity.

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Have you had a personal experience? I know you talked about the holistic piece and how you kind of got to where you were as far as your personal experience living holistically. Is there any personal experience that maybe has led you to view joy in this way? Yes. Oh, yes. That's a great, that's a great question because I fell into the trap of seeking joy and seeking out being a happy person. Mm-hmm.

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when I kind of broke out of the standard life of corporate nine-to-five matrix existence etc I kind of fell down the trap that sprung for you of like I don't want to classify it as new age spirituality but you know I kind of within the realm online of people who are talking about the ways of the world that aren't quite as they seem there's a lot of

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glamorization of the like Bob Marley. Oh, what do we want to be when you grow up? I want to be happy like Just seeking that happy Spirit that kind of fake spirituality Aspect and so I'd say I at least dabbled and in that mentality. It seemed like It had some benefits to it right? Oh these people on the outside at least seem happy, right? It seems like it makes sense. Oh instead of working all the time. I want to be happy. I wanted to know so

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I would say I at least dabbled in that kind of mindset and perhaps was even in a little too deep and experienced the lack of fulfillment and when I was honest with myself, the lack of actual joy that came from seeking a happy life because I didn't get anything done and didn't fuel me to progress to actually change the things that I did.

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wanted to change, like I just mentioned. So yeah, I guess my personal experience is that I've lived on the other side of things. I've lived on the, we should do what makes us happy and only follow our passion kind of life and experienced the lowest lows of my own mental health throughout that. And when I flipped the switch and came to comprehend that I need to...

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operate in a different way and operate more in an action based and accountability based. And you know, it's not always going to be good, but you have to work kind of way. And from that fulfillment, you see, you will find joy as a byproduct. I've only experienced an upward spiral of my life and health and wellness and situation and circumstances and relationships from there. So you know, the personal experience is, is living on both sides of the equation, honestly.

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I haven't heard that perspective and I love that because I just love how you explain that as far as going for your passion and purpose, but then that switch flipped. So how or what came to that realization that you needed to make that change or what led to that switch being flipped?

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and you knowing that you had to still do something different for that fulfillment. Yeah. Well, you know, like I said, the previous way of living had everything fall apart. My interpersonal relationships were not so good. My business is all failed. My own mental health, physical health. And now this all came with a variety of other factors, right? There was always other things going on that led things to be the way they were, all of which I accept responsibility for. But

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You know, I was just left at the lowest of the lows and you know, it's very interesting. I happened to find a particular person online who was just giving out positive messaging for men and his words just resonated so deeply with my insides that I just dove into his content and it just changed my life and it was exactly what I needed. And so I just kind of got that calibration figure and

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ever since then, I've just been kind of understanding what it meant to be a healthy man in a world where I never really had a positive influence in that way. So powerful. Thank you for sharing that. So since you view joy in just a different realm, how would you say it might be incorporated with others that you work with, maybe specifically at your nonprofit?

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cancer company, that's probably not the right way to say it. But I know mentally, like that's, I think when somebody has an illness, the mental aspect is a huge factor of that as well. So I'm just curious how joy might be integrated into that for people who use your services.

19:58
healing the body and healing the person in general is a true mind, body, spirit approach and there's no way to disconnect any of them. And so, you know, in our educational courses, one of the first things that we do is set a mental stage and a mental foundation for what it takes to be a successful patient. And that is really kind of introducing that you need to be experiencing joy.

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And on the flip side, you can't be experiencing despair and feeding energy into that direction and expect your body to be set up for success in healing. And so we very much emphasize for the patients that come to us and for the coaches that we're training, for them to go work with clients, that you need to emphasize on for a cancer patient that they need to experience joy in their life. They need to do things that...

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are going to bring them happiness and bring them joy and bring them those positive emotions and that positive energy because that's healing. Experiencing that is healing, you know, and when someone's facing a cancer concern, you know, I think a lot of people in general, their mental health isn't so fantastic. And then you add this illness onto it and perhaps it contributed to the illness in the first place and now it's compounding it.

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You know, it's very difficult for someone to maintain a positive attitude or maintain even not being in a state of absolute and utter despair and disparity and kind of beating themselves up and, you know, thinking, well, it was me and we're thinking I'm going to die and repeating that bad spell to themselves. It's super essential to have a patient understand that their life is worth living. They are worth healing.

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and they are worth putting the time and effort and energy into working on healing. And part of that comes from reminding ourselves that we can experience positivity and can experience joy. So it's absolutely an essential part of healing to have fun. And joy is having fun. And what is a life worth living if you don't have a bit of fun? As much as I am like work, work, work, I love to have fun too.

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I guess it's all adage, work hard, play hard. The more you kind of learn, the more you realize how important that really is fundamentally. Yeah, definitely. And I think that when somebody has that kind of diagnosis or they have someone in their family that has that diagnosis, I think all that negativity in that space just takes over and it's got to be really challenging to switch to that positive, joyful space. I love that.

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That's what's happening. It makes me want to cry because I feel like there's people need support in doing that, especially during a situation like that, right? It's really hard to, to switch and have those joyful feelings on your own when you're facing something like that. And so knowing that there's the support out there for people to switch that mindset and to

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to hopefully live in that space while they're fighting something or a family member is fighting something is so imperative. And I love, love, love how you said it's teaching them that they have a life worth to live and worth healing and a body worth healing. That's so incredible and powerful. Oh my gosh. Thank you for sharing that. Patients are so blessed to be working with you and your team and hopefully can get the word out that there's this kind of support for them. I love it.

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Oh gosh. So are there any examples that you can think of that are shared with your clients on how to make that switch and to bring more joy into their life when they're facing a challenge like that? Yeah, you know, it's so hyper personalized how we work with people because there's no one size fits all solution to anything. There's not necessarily a one size fits all.

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problem to begin with on what has someone in a state of temporary unwellness, how can we really kind of blanket scattergun provide a solution if everyone has such a unique circumstance that they're coming from? And you know that's the kind of whole thing with holistic health and well-being. We're not saying ah this person has x cancer so we do x protocol. We say ah this person might have x cancer but they are this whole

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They are not ex-cancer. They are not patient number 56824. They are this whole person with a whole lifetime of feelings and emotions and experiences that have brought them to the here and now. And so our approach to healing is so hyper-personalized and that every coach has their own approach even at that. But.

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You know, to give some basics, we really encourage people to lean into the positive beacons that they do have in life. So if someone does have a hobby that they enjoy, which everyone should have something, or if someone does have, you know, animals are fantastic, or if someone is religious, leaning into their spiritual and religious community, if that brings them joy and fulfillment, you know, we...

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encourage people to lean into what works for them because, you know, this person's path to healing might involve them painting a portrait every day and that brings them that like drive to keep going. And another person might not care at all about painting, you know, so it's hard to give a one size kind of solution there, but it's really kind of coming to comprehend who that person is and what brings them.

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joy and then leading it to that. Teaching them to believe that they're still that person. That's so incredible because I do, like you said, this is patient, you know, five 28 or whatever. I don't have experience in this, but I would think that a lot of that could be like that in a general, you know, setting that people use. Um, and I do think probably some of that personal piece of them is taken away.

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And obviously with you guys, that's not, and that could be such a joy creator in itself is teaching them and reminding these people that you're still this amazing person. It doesn't matter what you have. You're still this person. Absolutely. That's such a key part of what we do. We call it having a host-oriented approach. The unfortunate truth is that a lot of conventional modalities, they kind of approach cancer as we're going to attack.

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the tumor and hope that the person around that tumor doesn't take so much collateral damage that they end up dying from the treatment even if the cancer is kind of mitigated. We have a host-oriented approach. That means we are not here to attack a tumor. We are here to heal a person, a human, a living, breathing, feeling whole person holistically. That's what that is.

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These people are so, I'm sure they are so blessed to be working with you and your team. That's incredible. Did you ever see The Truth About Cancer? That was the documentary years and years ago. I've seen snippets of it. It's of course highly talked about in the field. But yeah, I don't know. I don't think I've watched the whole thing. Well there's just one thing that sticks out to me is the gentleman who created the documentary, he lost both his parents to, I can't remember what kind of cancer, but they went through the traditional treatments.

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His whole premise basically is that it's not the cancer that kills these people, it's the treatment. So when you said that, that's just what made me think of it. I think we may have gotten mentioned in that one. We've been around for so long that we get mentioned a lot in just by proxy in different documentaries, even if it's not our own production. We have so many coaches out there. We have hundreds of coaches that we've trained and certified and several of them go off to do other things. So.

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It seems like every other week I'm hearing about, hey, we heard about you in this documentary. I didn't even know that existed. Yeah. Well, good. The word's getting out then, so that is good. OK, well, Zach, this has been such an enlightening conversation, and I love your perspective on joy. I think it's so powerful. And anything that resonates with anybody, it doesn't matter the perspective, but I know there's something that can be resonated for anybody and anybody.

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regardless of what people's perspective is. So I really appreciate you sharing that view. It's very interesting and I will be thinking about it a lot. I love that and I just keep thinking about that internal fulfillment and just based on your story and how you kind of switched over to that. So thank you.

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Where can people find you if they want to reach out to you in any way because there's lots of different things you can provide people. Yeah, absolutely. So I'll split it up again into the two primary things I do. If someone has an inquiry about beatcancer.org, they can of course always go to our homepage beatcancer.org, but you can also email me at zfrank at beatcancer.org. And I'm sure Lauren will have that in the description wherever. And I'll be more than happy to point you towards any of our educational programs that we have.

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whether that's our abundance of free programs, including one-on-one personalized counseling with our in-house naturopathic doctor, or again, any of our other programs, including our holistic cancer coach certification program or anything in between, any questions, I'd be very happy to help you get where you need to be. If you'd like to check out anything else that I do, you can go to Zach and from there, you can find my podcast called The Health King's Court.

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Ancient Wisdom, Modern Health, or you can search for that on whatever platform you prefer to listen or watch on. It's everywhere from YouTube, Rumble, Spotify, Apple, Google, Amazon, all the different places. My email for that, if you have an inquiry about being a guest, it's zack and on that original website I just said zack You can find my different socials and different things that I do. I'm available for private consultation.

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on different matters of health and wellness and life as a whole. If you'd like to hear what I'd have to say about your personal scenario. So that's where you can find me. Awesome. Thank you. I'll have all that in the show notes. And is there any last thing you'd like to leave the listeners with? Life is what you make it. And everything in life is your fault. If you accept that as difficult as that may be.

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The flip side is the empowerment and coming to comprehend that all of the good things that you can create in this life can also be your fault. Fault isn't an inherently negative thing. Take accountability for your life, take action, and your experience in life will result. That is so beautiful and I'm not going to say anything so I don't want to ruin it.

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Thank you so much for your time today in this conversation. I am so excited to get it out. I know there's so much in here that people will take value of and I can't wait to get it out to everybody. I really appreciate your time, Zach. Thank you very much for having me, Lauren. It's a great topic. It's a great thing that you're doing here with the show. So I'm very glad to have been a part of it. Awesome, thank you. Well, have a great rest of your day. You as well. Well, I hope you enjoyed that interview and discussion with Zach.

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I have really been reflecting on what I heard today. And it's made me think a lot when he talks about his perspective of joy instead of searching for it, but it's created more when you're fulfilled. I really love that. And I've never thought about it before. I've always talked a lot about how there's joy out there. You can find it anywhere, you know, nature. There's so many things. And I'm sure if you've listened to my podcast, you've heard me say that before, because I search for joy. I believe it's there.

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When you think about that fulfillment piece, I do really believe that when we aren't fulfilled, we definitely aren't gonna feel that joy. And even when I think about nature, so if I'm in a place where maybe I'm not feeling fulfilled or I just need kind of a reset or something that's gonna lift me up, I do look at nature. I believe nature is one of the easiest joy creators, but here's what I realized after having this conversation with Zach.

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is that when I see the river flowing or I'm looking at the view from the top of a mountain after hiking or skiing and I'm looking across seeing these snow covered mountains next to the bluebird sky we have here in Colorado or I look at a beautiful mountain peak standing up on its own or the deer that are in my yard whatever it is that actually fulfills me inside my heart and soul and I just never really

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thought about that. And when Zach was talking about that, that's really what made me make that connection is even though I might be searching for some joy, what I'm realizing is when I'm looking for it, I'm looking for something that's actually going to fulfill me and it's something maybe deep in my life that I'm actually taking actionable steps that he talked about. Or maybe it's just something really simple that I just need some fulfillment to bring me back into that space. And that's something that really came to mind.

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And I just love challenging my thought process after hearing somebody's perspective on joy and what they think about it. So I'm so appreciative that Zach chatted with me, such a unique perspective. I hope you took value out of something. I'm sure you found value out of this conversation and he is full of resources. If you are fighting cancer or you have a family member or a friend who is in that world right now.

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Look at his stuff. All the links are in the show notes. I think it's an incredible organization and the more support that anybody who is dealing with that has the better. So I hope you take a look at it and you'll be able to reach out to him and just check out the show notes. If you couldn't grab everything as he was sharing all his contact information. Well, thanks for joining us today. And I am out of here. Did you enjoy your time with us today? If you did, please give us a five star review.

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